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	<title>Comments for Strategic Christian</title>
	<link>http://blog.strategicchristian.net</link>
	<description>by Tom Gilson</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on unChristian?  by Fermi Project</title>
		<link>http://blog.strategicchristian.net/2007/10/21/unchristian%c2%a0/#comment-45033</link>
		<dc:creator>Fermi Project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.strategicchristian.net/2007/10/21/unchristian%c2%a0/#comment-45033</guid>
		<description>I thought you would want to know that Fermi Project just released the official "UnChristian: Change the Perception" DVD Curriculum designed for small groups and church staffs. It has David Kinnaman, Gabe Lyons, Shane Claiborne and Rick McKinley talking through how the perceptions can change and is a resource I would highly recommend. Check it out at: 
http://www.fermiproject.com/store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought you would want to know that Fermi Project just released the official &#8220;UnChristian: Change the Perception&#8221; DVD Curriculum designed for small groups and church staffs. It has David Kinnaman, Gabe Lyons, Shane Claiborne and Rick McKinley talking through how the perceptions can change and is a resource I would highly recommend. Check it out at:<br />
<a href="http://www.fermiproject.com/store." rel="nofollow">http://www.fermiproject.com/store.</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Planning and Goals: Is There Room for the Holy Spirit? An Introduction &#124; www.markdroberts.com by Jim Williams</title>
		<link>http://blog.strategicchristian.net/2008/03/06/planning-and-goals-is-there-room-for-the-holy-spirit-an-introduction-wwwmarkdrobertscom/#comment-30088</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 10:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.strategicchristian.net/2008/03/06/planning-and-goals-is-there-room-for-the-holy-spirit-an-introduction-wwwmarkdrobertscom/#comment-30088</guid>
		<description>Only if you put Him on the agenda! 

Seriously, the "business model" of the church runs the risk of having us lead our churches like we lead our corporations. An MBA is better than an M.Div. 

We can be Spirit-led yet do things "decently and in order". God is a planner, and we are made in that image.

It is said that the truly major differences between man and animals are that (1) man can plan for the future - we do not merely act out of instinct -  and (2) man has opposable thumbs. Without (1) and (2), flipcharts could not be used and our entire economic system would collapse.

Pray and Plan. The two are not mutually exclusive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only if you put Him on the agenda! </p>
<p>Seriously, the &#8220;business model&#8221; of the church runs the risk of having us lead our churches like we lead our corporations. An MBA is better than an M.Div. </p>
<p>We can be Spirit-led yet do things &#8220;decently and in order&#8221;. God is a planner, and we are made in that image.</p>
<p>It is said that the truly major differences between man and animals are that (1) man can plan for the future - we do not merely act out of instinct -  and (2) man has opposable thumbs. Without (1) and (2), flipcharts could not be used and our entire economic system would collapse.</p>
<p>Pray and Plan. The two are not mutually exclusive.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Heart&#8217;s Cry by Ken Mann</title>
		<link>http://blog.strategicchristian.net/2008/02/18/a-hearts-cry/#comment-27678</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.strategicchristian.net/2008/02/18/a-hearts-cry/#comment-27678</guid>
		<description>This clip made me laugh in shock and gratitude for such a coherent description of what a person without salvation in Jesus Christ is facing. As followers of Jesus Christ, we must be prepared to address many topics (dramatized in this scene from ER). We must be willing and able to address and disprove relativism in all its forms, especially religious. We must be willing to boldly proclaim not only the reality of Jesus' work on the Cross but the unpleasant reality of Hell. If there is no consequence for sin, then why did He suffer and die. Finally, we must be willing to defend the idea that sin is everyone's problem, and that God, through his Son Jesus has offered a means of atonement that can save anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This clip made me laugh in shock and gratitude for such a coherent description of what a person without salvation in Jesus Christ is facing. As followers of Jesus Christ, we must be prepared to address many topics (dramatized in this scene from ER). We must be willing and able to address and disprove relativism in all its forms, especially religious. We must be willing to boldly proclaim not only the reality of Jesus&#8217; work on the Cross but the unpleasant reality of Hell. If there is no consequence for sin, then why did He suffer and die. Finally, we must be willing to defend the idea that sin is everyone&#8217;s problem, and that God, through his Son Jesus has offered a means of atonement that can save anyone.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ignorance is Bliss? Biblical Illiteracy in the West by emily</title>
		<link>http://blog.strategicchristian.net/2007/08/25/ignorance-is-bliss-biblical-illiteracy-in-the-west/#comment-23716</link>
		<dc:creator>emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.strategicchristian.net/2007/08/25/ignorance-is-bliss-biblical-illiteracy-in-the-west/#comment-23716</guid>
		<description>If they taught real history in the schools instead of the politically corrected watered down version then kids would be eager to learn. The real story about Joan of Arc is so remarkable that kids would love to learn about her life.  Send the one's that think she was married to Noah to
&lt;a href="http://www.maidofheaven.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;Joan of Arc - MaidofHeaven.com&lt;/a&gt; to learn the truth about Joan of Arc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they taught real history in the schools instead of the politically corrected watered down version then kids would be eager to learn. The real story about Joan of Arc is so remarkable that kids would love to learn about her life.  Send the one&#8217;s that think she was married to Noah to<br />
<a href="http://www.maidofheaven.com" rel="nofollow">Joan of Arc - MaidofHeaven.com</a> to learn the truth about Joan of Arc.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Companions of Life &#124; Philip Jenkins &#124; The Christian Vision Project by Ian of England</title>
		<link>http://blog.strategicchristian.net/2007/03/21/companions-of-life-philip-jenkins-the-christian-vision-project/#comment-5054</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian of England</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.strategicchristian.net/2007/03/21/companions-of-life-philip-jenkins-the-christian-vision-project/#comment-5054</guid>
		<description>This is very thought provoking! thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very thought provoking! thanks</p>
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		<title>Comment on Balanced Scorecard: Mission, Values, and Vision, Part 1 by Strategic Christian &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Balanced Scorecard: Mission, Values, and Vision, Part 2</title>
		<link>http://blog.strategicchristian.net/2007/04/03/balanced-scorecard-mission-values-and-vision-part-1/#comment-4711</link>
		<dc:creator>Strategic Christian &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Balanced Scorecard: Mission, Values, and Vision, Part 2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 20:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.strategicchristian.net/2007/04/03/balanced-scorecard-mission-values-and-vision-part-1/#comment-4711</guid>
		<description>[...] Mission, unlike vision, is about what the organization will do. A mission statement is a concise enunciation of the major activities your organization will carry out, for whom. Niven says (page 102): A mission statement defines the core purpose of the organization its raison d'etre&#8211;that is, why it exists. The mission also reflects employees' reasons for engaging in the company's work. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Mission, unlike vision, is about what the organization will do. A mission statement is a concise enunciation of the major activities your organization will carry out, for whom. Niven says (page 102): A mission statement defines the core purpose of the organization its raison d&#8217;etre&#8211;that is, why it exists. The mission also reflects employees&#8217; reasons for engaging in the company&#8217;s work. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Strategic Planning for Ministries by David Williams</title>
		<link>http://blog.strategicchristian.net/2007/01/23/strategic-planning-for-ministries/#comment-298</link>
		<dc:creator>David Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.strategicchristian.net/2007/01/23/strategic-planning-for-ministries/#comment-298</guid>
		<description>Hi Tom,

One short comment about Strtgc Plnng gennerally as it applies to us:

In reviewing our cities plans I found myself having to interpret each plan, matching what they were saying with what I knew our goals and metrics to be.  What a headache that became.  We concluded that it was an error to leave the format, with the boxes and arrorws, as open ended as it is presented.

Instead, we will now include guidelines for each section, stating the values and metrics that should be addressed in each.  For instance, the situational analysis section should require each city director to analyze his city against certain criteria - the known lagging and leading indicators - rather than by whatever comes to mind at that time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom,</p>
<p>One short comment about Strtgc Plnng gennerally as it applies to us:</p>
<p>In reviewing our cities plans I found myself having to interpret each plan, matching what they were saying with what I knew our goals and metrics to be.  What a headache that became.  We concluded that it was an error to leave the format, with the boxes and arrorws, as open ended as it is presented.</p>
<p>Instead, we will now include guidelines for each section, stating the values and metrics that should be addressed in each.  For instance, the situational analysis section should require each city director to analyze his city against certain criteria - the known lagging and leading indicators - rather than by whatever comes to mind at that time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Cerulean Sanctum » &#8220;The World’s Best Bible-Reading Program&#8221; by DLE</title>
		<link>http://blog.strategicchristian.net/2007/01/22/cerulean-sanctum-%c2%bb-the-world%e2%80%99s-best-bible-reading-program/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>DLE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.strategicchristian.net/2007/01/22/cerulean-sanctum-%c2%bb-the-world%e2%80%99s-best-bible-reading-program/#comment-244</guid>
		<description>Tom,

Thanks for the link to my post on Bible reading over at Cerulean Sanctum. I pray it blesses you and your readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>Thanks for the link to my post on Bible reading over at Cerulean Sanctum. I pray it blesses you and your readers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Through a Glass, Darkly&#8221; by Tom Gilson</title>
		<link>http://blog.strategicchristian.net/2007/01/15/through-a-glass-darkly/#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Gilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.strategicchristian.net/2007/01/15/through-a-glass-darkly/#comment-176</guid>
		<description>Jeff, thank you. And I have to apologize for not getting it--for not practicing what I was preaching, in fact. Still, I don't know that your repeated "dupes" etc. really lifts the sense that you intended that as a characterization of this group. You have acknowledged that it is not a new belief, but it seems you still view it as terribly misguided and naive.

For the record, it seems wrong to me to identify Christianity (in any form) with Americanism, or to put too much stock in Christianity's influence throughout American history. I see this much: that Christianity has had a much stronger influence on America than on any other country in history; that even the deist and freethinking founders were profoundly influenced by a biblically-permeated worldview; that America has been blessed and has prospered partly as a result of this. I believe that any nation that follows a predominantly biblical approach to the world is likely to experience some blessing as a result. To that extent I agree with this group. I get nervous, though, when some commentators attempt to take it much farther than that.

But the real point of this post was not to sort all that out. (That would have been a fine purpose, if it had been mine, but I had a different one this time.) It was to encourage the kind of mutual listening and conversation that you have exemplified. Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, thank you. And I have to apologize for not getting it&#8211;for not practicing what I was preaching, in fact. Still, I don&#8217;t know that your repeated &#8220;dupes&#8221; etc. really lifts the sense that you intended that as a characterization of this group. You have acknowledged that it is not a new belief, but it seems you still view it as terribly misguided and naive.</p>
<p>For the record, it seems wrong to me to identify Christianity (in any form) with Americanism, or to put too much stock in Christianity&#8217;s influence throughout American history. I see this much: that Christianity has had a much stronger influence on America than on any other country in history; that even the deist and freethinking founders were profoundly influenced by a biblically-permeated worldview; that America has been blessed and has prospered partly as a result of this. I believe that any nation that follows a predominantly biblical approach to the world is likely to experience some blessing as a result. To that extent I agree with this group. I get nervous, though, when some commentators attempt to take it much farther than that.</p>
<p>But the real point of this post was not to sort all that out. (That would have been a fine purpose, if it had been mine, but I had a different one this time.) It was to encourage the kind of mutual listening and conversation that you have exemplified. Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Through a Glass, Darkly&#8221; by Jeff Sharlet</title>
		<link>http://blog.strategicchristian.net/2007/01/15/through-a-glass-darkly/#comment-175</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Sharlet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blog.strategicchristian.net/2007/01/15/through-a-glass-darkly/#comment-175</guid>
		<description>Tom -- thanks for what is clearly a sincere engagement with my article (I put a google alert on long pieces like this; the after conversation is part of the work). That said, I have to take issue with what you characterize, severely out of context, as a "snide dismissal" -- that paragraph, left alone, surely does seem as such. Which is why the next paragraph reads: &lt;blockquote&gt;We don’t like to consider the possibility that they are not newcomers to power but returnees, that the revivals that have been sweeping America with generational regularity since its inception are not flare-ups but the natural temperature of the nation. We can’t conceive of the possibility that the dupes, the saps, the fools—the believers—have been with us from the very beginning, that their story about what America once was and should be seems to some great portion of the population more compelling, more just, and more beautiful than the perfunctory processes of secular democracy. Thus we are at a loss to account for this recurring American mood. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

If that doesn't complicate it for you, I don't know what will. Maybe the end -- the deliberate third repetition of that ironic phrase, which follows what I hope is a solid debunking of SECULAR mythology:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The dupes, the saps, and the fools—the believers—prefer their re-enchanted past, alive to the dark magic with which all histories are constructed. &lt;/blockquote&gt;.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm not trying to tell you that I'm in favor of providential history, only that what you read as a snide dismissal of your faith was intended as -- and taken as by most readers -- a snide dismissal of the secular liberal assumption that Christians, and particularly fundamentalist Christians, are fools. The bulk of the article is dedicated that rather than being a community of know-nothings, fundamentalists are engaged in a vast and impressive intellectual project, one that is more narratively compelling than that created by secularism.

Politically, I find both fundamentalist and secular mythology horrifying. "Providence" and "manifest destiny" are the twin self-deceptions we Americans have used for the expansion of empire. For a whole lot of people -- Iraqis, Iranians, Salvadorans, Guatemalans, Congolese, Somalians, Vietnamese, Laotians, East Timorese, etc., etc., etc., etc. -- that story, whether told by Rushdoony or John Foster Dulles or Bush or Clinton -- is just a nightmare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom &#8212; thanks for what is clearly a sincere engagement with my article (I put a google alert on long pieces like this; the after conversation is part of the work). That said, I have to take issue with what you characterize, severely out of context, as a &#8220;snide dismissal&#8221; &#8212; that paragraph, left alone, surely does seem as such. Which is why the next paragraph reads:<br />
<blockquote>We don’t like to consider the possibility that they are not newcomers to power but returnees, that the revivals that have been sweeping America with generational regularity since its inception are not flare-ups but the natural temperature of the nation. We can’t conceive of the possibility that the dupes, the saps, the fools—the believers—have been with us from the very beginning, that their story about what America once was and should be seems to some great portion of the population more compelling, more just, and more beautiful than the perfunctory processes of secular democracy. Thus we are at a loss to account for this recurring American mood. </p></blockquote>
<p>If that doesn&#8217;t complicate it for you, I don&#8217;t know what will. Maybe the end &#8212; the deliberate third repetition of that ironic phrase, which follows what I hope is a solid debunking of SECULAR mythology:</p>
<blockquote><p>The dupes, the saps, and the fools—the believers—prefer their re-enchanted past, alive to the dark magic with which all histories are constructed. </p></blockquote>
<p>.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8212; I&#8217;m not trying to tell you that I&#8217;m in favor of providential history, only that what you read as a snide dismissal of your faith was intended as &#8212; and taken as by most readers &#8212; a snide dismissal of the secular liberal assumption that Christians, and particularly fundamentalist Christians, are fools. The bulk of the article is dedicated that rather than being a community of know-nothings, fundamentalists are engaged in a vast and impressive intellectual project, one that is more narratively compelling than that created by secularism.</p>
<p>Politically, I find both fundamentalist and secular mythology horrifying. &#8220;Providence&#8221; and &#8220;manifest destiny&#8221; are the twin self-deceptions we Americans have used for the expansion of empire. For a whole lot of people &#8212; Iraqis, Iranians, Salvadorans, Guatemalans, Congolese, Somalians, Vietnamese, Laotians, East Timorese, etc., etc., etc., etc. &#8212; that story, whether told by Rushdoony or John Foster Dulles or Bush or Clinton &#8212; is just a nightmare.</p>
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